Comments on: Makeup from the Ground Up http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/ Feral fashions for the finicky female Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:08:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Khatta http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-917 Khatta Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:41:35 +0000 http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-917 So, there are two solutions to this problem: 1)Don't wear makeup. 2)Don't wear makeup very often, and don't breathe the powder in while applying any dry forms. Personally, I don't wear makeup most of the time. That's about 90%, or better, of my life. But I like having the option to not have to go shell out my monetary votes on encouraging the vanity of our society. If I'm going to be "vain" or showy, I want it to reflect who I am- self-sufficient. -Khatta So, there are two solutions to this problem:

1)Don’t wear makeup.

2)Don’t wear makeup very often, and don’t breathe the powder in while applying any dry forms.

Personally, I don’t wear makeup most of the time. That’s about 90%, or better, of my life. But I like having the option to not have to go shell out my monetary votes on encouraging the vanity of our society.

If I’m going to be “vain” or showy, I want it to reflect who I am- self-sufficient.
-Khatta

]]> By: JimFive http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-768 JimFive Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:01:19 +0000 http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-768 Jason, I think you're wrong about that. According to this site: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/particle-sizes-d_934.html (Note Micron = .001 millimeters) Visible particles are about 40 microns and asbestos ranges from .7 - 90 microns. Particles that will make it to the lungs are about 10 microns, and talcum ranges from .5 - 50 microns. Since obsidian can be flaked down to a molecular edge (~.005 microns) it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that grinding a mineral on a stone can create particles in the 10 micron range. Especially when the entire purpose of the grinding is to create a fine, even powder suitable for suspension in a medium for use as make up. -- JimFive Jason,
I think you’re wrong about that. According to this site: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/particle-sizes-d_934.html

(Note Micron = .001 millimeters)
Visible particles are about 40 microns and asbestos ranges from .7 - 90 microns.

Particles that will make it to the lungs are about 10 microns, and talcum ranges from .5 - 50 microns.

Since obsidian can be flaked down to a molecular edge (~.005 microns) it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that grinding a mineral on a stone can create particles in the 10 micron range. Especially when the entire purpose of the grinding is to create a fine, even powder suitable for suspension in a medium for use as make up.
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JimFive

]]> By: Jason Godesky http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-753 Jason Godesky Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:56:10 +0000 http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-753 I don't think anything you grind down with a mortar and pestle would get small enough to get through lungs, skin or capillaries. You can get ultrafine particles from industrial mass-production, sure, but it seems to me that simply highlights again that almost anything, however benign, that you do at the level of a personal craft can become pathological when scaled up to industrial mass production. I don’t think anything you grind down with a mortar and pestle would get small enough to get through lungs, skin or capillaries. You can get ultrafine particles from industrial mass-production, sure, but it seems to me that simply highlights again that almost anything, however benign, that you do at the level of a personal craft can become pathological when scaled up to industrial mass production.

]]> By: void_genesis http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-752 void_genesis Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:51:12 +0000 http://fabulousforager.com/2008/04/makeup-from-the-ground-up/#comment-752 Finely ground mineral powders are starting to be appreciated as a significant health risk. Just like asbestos any persistent particle entering the lungs or skin has the potential to induce persistent inflammation and carcinogenesis around it as the body tries to attack and remove it. Ultrafine particles from combustion are a known cancer risk- the right size passes through the lungs, into the blood stream, where they trigger inflammation everywhere. Talcum powder is also emerging as a risk for reproductive cancers (as it is used on bottoms) but the link isn't rock solid yet. People have only started using industrial mica powders on their faces every day for a couple of years now. Do women really want to line up once again to be human guinea pigs for the make up industry? They are only just starting to admit the phenylene diamines in hair dyes cause bladder cancer. Women should have learnt the lesson with lead based white face paint and belladonna eye drops in the 18th century. Finely ground mineral powders are starting to be appreciated as a significant health risk. Just like asbestos any persistent particle entering the lungs or skin has the potential to induce persistent inflammation and carcinogenesis around it as the body tries to attack and remove it.

Ultrafine particles from combustion are a known cancer risk- the right size passes through the lungs, into the blood stream, where they trigger inflammation everywhere. Talcum powder is also emerging as a risk for reproductive cancers (as it is used on bottoms) but the link isn’t rock solid yet. People have only started using industrial mica powders on their faces every day for a couple of years now. Do women really want to line up once again to be human guinea pigs for the make up industry? They are only just starting to admit the phenylene diamines in hair dyes cause bladder cancer. Women should have learnt the lesson with lead based white face paint and belladonna eye drops in the 18th century.

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